It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

Individuals provide society with productivity and the ability to fight. In return, society protects the individuals by pooling these resources together, which amplifies the benefits for everyone.

This is true of every system - capitalism, communism, socialism, etc. And also true for animal societies.

But when AGI happens, society no longer needs most individuals. Which means there is no incentive to take care of them.

Yup. When machines can do what the poors used to there's no reason to tolerate poors anymore.

This is only true if you measure value in terms of economic output.

Which most do. You also have value in terms of militarily output, but again I don't think poors (espically one getting fre gibs) are going to be in shape enough much less willing to serve.

I think that our values run deeper than that, even if so far we've used the wheel of productivity as a proxy for human flourishing. Now that the great decoupling has happened, it's time to rethink the appropriateness of the proxy and find a better human-centered system. Like switching from looking at GDP to things like Gini coefficients and other population well-being metrics. Once we can hook the AGI to these metrics, we can get to a post-scarcity world.

There's even less reason to tolerate the lower classes in a post scarcity world! You have literally no need for them and they fuck up your life by committing crimes and using up land!

Inb4: buh muh crime caused by poverty!

I don't think the AGI overlords will have the guts to wipe most of us out and living in an endless empty land by themselves without seeing or interacting with anyone They have eachother lmao.

You don't understand the contempt they have for the "useless eaters". All sorts of problems would be solved for them. Overfishing, pollution, crime, global warming etc. Earth would be a paradise for them.

Yup.

It's very interesting that these people in charge don't see how they would be the “useless eaters” in a dystopian scenario that involves any technological dark age.

Nobody cares if you are a big ceo in the wasteland….they'd rather have a plumber or mechanic any day in their group.

Oh my god Tv has brain rotted so many people. A world were CEO control AGI (and I'm assuming machines that the AGI can use to interact with the world at large) is one were the CEO rules like a king. He doesn't care what you think because you don't matter.

That's a very capitalist perspective. I think taking care of everyone shouldn't be predicated on what they can provide to society, but just because taking care of everyone is the right thing to do for empathetic reasons, and for the good of our species as a whole.

How is good for the species as a whole? Walk me thru this.

We need to move away from judging people's worth based on their productivity, or whatever nebulous "value" they offer to society.

Retarded.

Also, something most of the capital owning classes fail to realise when judging the worth of people, is that without resources the vast majority of people can't participate in the economy, and when the economy falters capital becomes meaningless. That is if no one is buying anything, because they don't have money, there's no profit and if there's no profit there's no investment, and if there's no investment capital ceases to be meaningful.

None of which matters in a world were you can order your robot army to go mine some gold for you.

It's not just productivity that makes the lower classes important.

It's that and being cannon fodder.

If there are fewer and fewer jobs available thanks to AGI (or whatever), then it is only logical to provide the lower classes with a universal income. Because otherwise the economy would collapse.

Or all the money would simply move to the upper classes.

well, if AGI does everything for us, and it's intelligent enough to understand human needs and psychology, don't forget to include "Therapy/counseling/economics" are also things it can handle for us. Humans don't have the will to give out UBI because AGI is doing everything for us? Well AGI might have the will to do it for us, even if the current elite class who controls society doesn't.

Lol no. No one is going to let their WMD level AI just decide to be a libtard.

Humans lose the ability to socialize and fend for themselves because AGI provides all our needs? seems like AGI needs to be taught to coax us to interact and socialize with other humans and rely on it minimally for social needs.

These people are mental children, endlessly looking for a new tit to suckle at.

Doesnt AGI require everyones input though? All that data... its not like a bunch of dorks are re-writing all hustory in a basement. Thats years and years and years of information - provided by the likes of you and me - that AI is using. In effect, it very much requires us, and is also owned by us. No?

No!

Your dad is a pedophile; you grew up knowing that.

— Theatre of Pain (@Molassar179695) May 17, 2024

After this exchange, he replied to me 30 times, posting my memes in response to my tweets going back a full month

Each screenshot below is a unique post. These are no duplicates lmao

Lmao update:

Spal told me I have to post this or he'll twist my fricking head off. Also, new snappy quote that please @Aevann?? Anyway, two fricking r-slurs duke it out, enjoy !metashit <3

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Does Chick-fil-A not have the same anti-LGBTQ reputation anymore? Anecdotally, young people (Gen Z) keep casually announcing that they eat there and it's jarring to my aging millennial ears.

Chick-fil-A was THE culture war issue at a time when the term “culture war” was employed a lot less frequently (or at least I heard it less). Hard to believe the stigma is gone among presumably pro-LGBTQIA+ young people. 🤷‍♂️

Some 20-something at work just asked me where to find a Chick-fil-A (I didn't know, but others have asked me the same question). That's what inspired this…

There is no ethical consumption, but when a corporation becomes publicly associated with bigotry, mistreating workers, other social/environmental ills, I'll boycott in solidarity + to send a message. But seems like, eventually, people forget.

Boycotts can be an effective tool, but it seems like there is more awareness now than ever that systemic, radical change is necessary to address root causes of corporate greed/abuses (including capitalism itself). Consumer choices only go so far.

https://twitter.com/EricShapiro3/status/1791880151279505443

what does woke mean?

Woke's over, younger Gen Zs and Gen Alpha dgaf about this stuff

Not sure how you personally define “wokeness,” but Gen Z is extremely concerned about LGBTQ+ rights according to available data (regardless of whether they connect it with a specific chicken place).

Wokeness = radical liberalism and performative politics. There's a polarisation - some Gen Zs (those older and closer to millennials) are woke, but overwhelmingly the younger section do not seek institutional approval (couldn't get it anyway) and so aren't led by the radical liberalism of the PMC (as millennials were). Plus, now every other school / guidance counsellor / social worker / university is promoting woke radlib ideology it's not viewed as ‘cool' (every generation rebels in their youth, as Nick Cave said if he were 16 today he'd go to church [to be counter-cultural]) and that's partly why we see a resurgence of trad. Many polls indicate Gen-Alpha (turning 14) are the most right-wing / conservative in generations. But there is a huge split amongst the sexes (young men are much more likely to be rightwing / conservative than young women).

except that's not what woke means. yall should stop talking about things you have no idea about [black woman speaking]

Now I'm starting to understand better why some people think being ‘woke' is a bad thing smh

it's conservatives taking words ( aave) they don't know the meaning of and basically turning them into a slur. so now the entire country thinks woke is something it's not [black woman speaking]

https://twitter.com/DrJenIzaakson/status/1792166612235137399

We don't get no rewards for not eating there

Not funding organizations that hate you?!?!

I think this is a fair point. But at the end of the day, no ethical consumption in capitalism. I fund governments that hate me every single day, baby. May as well get some Polynesian with it.

“There's no ethical consumption under capitalism “ doesn't mean I should spend and vote with my dollars recklessly

I don't vote recklessly. But you're a great example why I eat the chicken. This shit turns you off to regular people who have a lot in common with you. What am I really helping by freaking out over chicken and telling them about themselves? Cutting them off? Over some nuggets.

https://twitter.com/courtsidekenny/status/1792169661783482854

https://twitter.com/wet_church/status/1792040310249255045

https://twitter.com/SoGoodWeNamedlt/status/1792202288578339011

not the chick fil a cup

https://twitter.com/DearlyBearloved/status/1792133167660298451

Just shows the addictiveness of fried MSG

Highly incorrect. MSG is not addictive just awhole lot of racially charged history behind it. Many things have MSG both naturally and added. The addictiveness comes from fats and salts. Chick fil a is just more of brand type to show off similar to iPhones and other hyped things.

https://twitter.com/HelloDevSero/status/1792046534609232218

ducks don't frick around

U.S. governors urge Turks and Caicos to release Americans as Florida woman becomes 5th tourist arrested for ammo in luggage https://t.co/z97zAfA3z9

— CBS News (@CBSNews) May 18, 2024

Britney Griner comparison:

https://twitter.com/AndyMiller1990/status/1791865592435097657

"We need to warn people not to go there!"

https://twitter.com/F_Botha_USA/status/1792104585596985481

This guy will never return:

https://twitter.com/Lithium_Plays/status/1792133276552868174

Libertarian r-slur side stuff

https://twitter.com/EffTexas/status/1792326901421220329

Not your fault. Spiderman loves all of you.

Spiderman will return.

I tend to think soy boys don't really feel that happy and are exaggerating mild happiness in order to mask their existential misery.

Like maybe there's been a few instances of moments of pure joy where the right photographer might have lucked out and caught me doing a soy gape, but the only occasions I can think of are moments where friends/family/pets have done something spontaneously funny. Never when <latest thing=""> has been announced. And certainly never while looking directly at the camera.</latest>

But scepticism aside, here's what gets me closest to soygaping:

Coffee

I am an unashamed coffee snob. I have a >£4,000 espresso setup including a La Mazzocco Linea Mini and a Eureka Atom grinder and I totally soy out over the process of making espresso and also pour over coffee.

This is one area where I frequently lie to my wife and connive to spend money without her knowing because she wouldn't understand if she knew the true cost of this hobby.

Me inside when my coffee arrives in the post:

Volvos

I love Volvos. I love seeing other people's Volvos. I like old Volvos and new Volvos. I've got a moose sticker on my Volvo.

I am looking forward to getting the new Volvo EX30 very soon, and hoping they release some electric wagons so I can continue my Volvo wagon habit into the future.

I just can't see myself ever buying any other manufacturer. They're not the fastest or the highest end, but man are they practical and well-designed.

Me when I'm driving my Volvo and I see another Volvo or I'm watching the early reviews of the new EX90:

Manly Scents

I've got an unopened bottle of Gaultier² which is my absolute favourite.

I want to clone myself and have s*x with myself every time I sniff myself. So hot.

They've relaunched it, but it apparently doesn't smell the same as the original so I'm saving it for a special occasion. Either that or selling it to some other nerd for £400+.

Burberry London is another favourite.

Not just sprays though. Anykind of manly shower gel or beard oil, etc. Even the rare manly scented candle just gets me soying out like:

How about you? What gets you soygaping, either literally or in your mind?

Bonus a great father

Link to video -

Link to sub for the sub for the star wards hotel - reddit.com/r/GalacticStarcruiser

You don't need to watch the video - just know that she fricking hated the hotel and found it was not worth 6000 dollars, according to summaries I read.

The funniest part is the Disney adults in the sub who are coping hard. I don't need to link to anything because it's literally all over the front page. This is amplified by the base level of cope for the hotel closing.

It cost 6000 dollars for two nights in a shitty hotel with no windows and cruise ship size rooms btw

CNN via Iranian state media

No more killing girls for you bro.

Did God do this as a birthday present for rDrama?

!metashit

I'll make this an effort post since I know you zoomies know nothing about the Internet or gaming before 2015.

Dyack in the middle

Silicon Knights

Silicon Knights was a Canadian developer who made a few decent games, like Legacy of Kain and the Gamecube remake of Metal Gear Solid. They're mainly remembered for the classic Gamecube horror game Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, which is quite good for its time and is notable for being the only rated-M game ever published directly by Nintendo. They were lead by a guy named Dennis Dyack, a whiny manchild who doomed his company to fail.

Zoomers: This was considered scary in 2002

To give you an idea of their management, here's an image of games in production, games that were cancelled or abandoned before release are marked in yellow. Note the staggering ratio of unreleased/released games:

Anyways, Dyack's passion project for decades had always been a game called Too Human, but every effort to make it had been abortive. After the successes of Eternal Darkness and MGS, Dyack decides the Wii doesn't have shiny enough graphics and makes the bold choice to unshackle his company from a lucrative position as a Nintendo third party so he can truly fulfill his vision on the superior XBawx Please Fix Me. Silicon Knights shacks up with Microsoft and Epic Games and produce an E3 demo (zoomers: people used to go to an annual convention for video game trailers) which is received overwhelmingly negatively.

Dyack is NOT HAPPY and goes on the IGN forums to whine about how the critics will regret their words and deeds:

Unedited clip from Too Human

NeoGAF

Once upon a time there was a gayming website called Gaming Age, with their forum called the Gaming Age Forum (or GAF). Eventually Gaming Age imploded, but the top two jannies (Evillore and Bishoptl) were able to move their community to a new forum, appropriately called NeoGAF. You wouldn't know it these days with GAF being a shambling corpse and its spinoff ResetERA being what it is, but pre-G*merGate GAF was chill and a place where industry figures would show up and sperg out while everyone laughed at them.

Dennis Dyack makes a bet

Once such figure was our hero, Dyack. With his new slop getting trashed by GAFfers, he makes a thread to bet on how it'll turn out:

Right now the man just appears confident in his project. But his next post is a bit more... unhinged, and seems to be setting the bar rather low by making alreay-forgotten games Lair and Haze the standard to beat:

He then goes for an interview on 1up (Zoomers: Now-defunct gaming journo site) and whined about how people saying mean things online is ruining America and how if the NeoGAF mods don't start respecting Denis Dyack and Too Human he's going to call the Internet Police and shut them down!

Dyack then does another interview where he declares that not only is NeoGAF the worst forum in the world, but forums in general are evil and this is why the US military no longer uses writing:

Too Human comes out and scores lower than Haze. In classic GAF fashion the top janny punishes Dyack for losing the bet by writing lots of words and then perma-banning him. Dyack copes by saying g*mers are too stupid to understand his genius.

By this point the capital-G G*mers are pissed at Dyack in a way that prefigures G*merGate in a way. Seething articles are written speculating that angering the G*mers has resulted in him not just being banned from NeoGAF, but divorced from his wife, kicked out of the house, abandoned by his employees, his car towed, banned from every website ever, banned from the city of Niagara and tossed over the waterfall.

He messed with g*mers. G*mers.

The Saga Ends

Denis Dyack has brought Silicon Knights from one of the more respected devs in the industry to basically a joke. Following the failure of Too Human Dyack blamed the Unreal Engine and Epic Games and made the genius decision to sue them. This didn't go their way and by 2012 they owed Epic millions of dollars, had less than five employees, and were legally obligated to destroy all of their unsold games and source code.

In the meantime they had six more projects (including two sequels for Too Human) which were cancelled before they finally released another game, the absolutely awful X-Men Destiny, which turns out to be their last. In desperation, Dyack crawls back to Nintendo and pitches a sequel to their last hit, Eternal Darkness. NeoGAF insider reveals that Nintendo is agreeable until SK loses the lawsuit against Epic, and they decide they'd rather not fork over $10 million in legal fees so SK can survive, which Dyack denied. Former SK staff reveal that this was the case and part of the reason the X-Men game sucked was because Dyack was taking money given by Activision for that game and instead putting it toward Eternal Darkness II.

Years later Dyack attempts to kickstart his own Eternal Darkness successor and makes $300,000 out of the $700,000 target. He has yet to make another game. The end!

Dyack, left

tl;dr