It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

Individuals provide society with productivity and the ability to fight. In return, society protects the individuals by pooling these resources together, which amplifies the benefits for everyone.

This is true of every system - capitalism, communism, socialism, etc. And also true for animal societies.

But when AGI happens, society no longer needs most individuals. Which means there is no incentive to take care of them.

Yup. When machines can do what the poors used to there's no reason to tolerate poors anymore.

This is only true if you measure value in terms of economic output.

Which most do. You also have value in terms of militarily output, but again I don't think poors (espically one getting fre gibs) are going to be in shape enough much less willing to serve.

I think that our values run deeper than that, even if so far we've used the wheel of productivity as a proxy for human flourishing. Now that the great decoupling has happened, it's time to rethink the appropriateness of the proxy and find a better human-centered system. Like switching from looking at GDP to things like Gini coefficients and other population well-being metrics. Once we can hook the AGI to these metrics, we can get to a post-scarcity world.

There's even less reason to tolerate the lower classes in a post scarcity world! You have literally no need for them and they fuck up your life by committing crimes and using up land!

Inb4: buh muh crime caused by poverty!

I don't think the AGI overlords will have the guts to wipe most of us out and living in an endless empty land by themselves without seeing or interacting with anyone They have eachother lmao.

You don't understand the contempt they have for the "useless eaters". All sorts of problems would be solved for them. Overfishing, pollution, crime, global warming etc. Earth would be a paradise for them.

Yup.

It's very interesting that these people in charge don't see how they would be the “useless eaters” in a dystopian scenario that involves any technological dark age.

Nobody cares if you are a big ceo in the wasteland….they'd rather have a plumber or mechanic any day in their group.

Oh my god Tv has brain rotted so many people. A world were CEO control AGI (and I'm assuming machines that the AGI can use to interact with the world at large) is one were the CEO rules like a king. He doesn't care what you think because you don't matter.

That's a very capitalist perspective. I think taking care of everyone shouldn't be predicated on what they can provide to society, but just because taking care of everyone is the right thing to do for empathetic reasons, and for the good of our species as a whole.

How is good for the species as a whole? Walk me thru this.

We need to move away from judging people's worth based on their productivity, or whatever nebulous "value" they offer to society.

Retarded.

Also, something most of the capital owning classes fail to realise when judging the worth of people, is that without resources the vast majority of people can't participate in the economy, and when the economy falters capital becomes meaningless. That is if no one is buying anything, because they don't have money, there's no profit and if there's no profit there's no investment, and if there's no investment capital ceases to be meaningful.

None of which matters in a world were you can order your robot army to go mine some gold for you.

It's not just productivity that makes the lower classes important.

It's that and being cannon fodder.

If there are fewer and fewer jobs available thanks to AGI (or whatever), then it is only logical to provide the lower classes with a universal income. Because otherwise the economy would collapse.

Or all the money would simply move to the upper classes.

well, if AGI does everything for us, and it's intelligent enough to understand human needs and psychology, don't forget to include "Therapy/counseling/economics" are also things it can handle for us. Humans don't have the will to give out UBI because AGI is doing everything for us? Well AGI might have the will to do it for us, even if the current elite class who controls society doesn't.

Lol no. No one is going to let their WMD level AI just decide to be a libtard.

Humans lose the ability to socialize and fend for themselves because AGI provides all our needs? seems like AGI needs to be taught to coax us to interact and socialize with other humans and rely on it minimally for social needs.

These people are mental children, endlessly looking for a new tit to suckle at.

Doesnt AGI require everyones input though? All that data... its not like a bunch of dorks are re-writing all hustory in a basement. Thats years and years and years of information - provided by the likes of you and me - that AI is using. In effect, it very much requires us, and is also owned by us. No?

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